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In terms, good (TR:639) (LH:14) (TL:654|#46), as compared to “evil” (or bad), refers to []



In 1729, Jean Meslier, in his Testament, argued, cogently, that god does not exist, but that in nature, a mix of good and evil, do exist; the following is one take on this:

“The world is necessarily a mix of good and evil in there has to be good and evil, seeing that the natural order of generations and productions that are successfully made in nature cannot subsist or continue without this untoward mix of good and evil and without a great number of productions coming to an end every day to make way for new ones, which cannot happen without good for the one and evil for the other, i.e., without birth and growth for the one in destruction for the other. Consequently, it could not want to do evil when it could always do good without a mix of any evil. And so, since the world is, as we see, necessarily a confused mix of good and evil, it evidently follows that it was not made by an infinitely perfect being and, consequently, there is not god.”
Jean Meslier (1729), The Testament (§94, pg. 574) [1]

Feel | Phi

Meslier prior to this, in his §91: “The Thoughts, Desires, Will, and Sensations of Good and Evil are only Internal Modifications of the Person or Animal that Thinks, Knows, or Feels Good or Evil”, engaged in an attack on Cartesian-themed views of Malebranche (The Search after Truth) and Fenelon (The Existence of God), states that:

“We do not bother to have pity or compassion for things like: stone, a piece of wood, a table, or dolls, because they are ‘inanimate’ and do not feel good or bad.”
Jean Meslier (1729), The Testament (§91, pg. #)

The key word here is "feel". Feel and feelings are phi-words, meaning they derive, via common secret name isopsephy (NE:510), from the myth of Ptah's solar fire drill, the making of the golden egg, the birth of the phoenix, birth of the sun, and the latter myth of Prometheus "stealing" fire from the gods and using it to bring clay humans to life. Hence, we have the following derived terms:

Fire Love Feel Mind Light Fe
fire (φωτιά) Philo- (Φίλο-) "loving"[2] feel (αφή) Phren (φρήν)[3] photo iron (ferro-)
flame (φλόγα) Philein (Φιλίν) "to love" feelings Schizo-phrenia photon ferromagnetic
Phoenix philosophy phosphorus forging (smithing)
philosopher (φιλόσοφος)

Hence, firstly, "stealing", in this scenario, is presumably a "good" thing? The underlying premise being that what makes life is "good". This rule, however, does not always hold. Lives made as a result of incest, rape, forced marriage, babies born with severe deformities, children born into conditions of severe overpopulation or into extreme paucity of food conditions or drought, are a few examples.

Secondly, in respect to Meslier's attack on Fenelon, we note that Meslier, in his argument, considers considers himself to be a type of matter in motion, but he points out that we cannot discern "good" nor "evil" in respect to say the breaking of a rock, because there is no phi-relation or connection between the human and the rock, i.e. there is no connective reaction involved, such as say would be measured by heat, fire, or light, in respect to the rock and the mind of the human. Subsequently, herein, we glean light into the problem of measuring or discerning between good and evil.


In 1809, Goethe said that morality, presumably right and wrong or good and evil, at the chemical and societal level, was something to be found in the "symbols" of physical chemistry, citing those of Torbern Bergman (1775) in particular.


A c.2010 diagram of Mark Janes model of "good" defined in terms of changes in Gibbs energy, enthalpy, and entropy.

In Nov 2008, Mark Janes, in his carbon entropy morphology theory, attempted to argue that good and evil could be explained in chemical thermodynamic terms, which he did via his so-called "My Cell" exhibition, a large floor and standup poster gymnasium display of his metaphysics, sciences and art ideas, the Alderley Park, England. The following is one statement of his beliefs:

“My work brings metaphysical concepts such as god, heaven, hell, good, and evil into the physical. Morality is simply thermodynamics in disguise.”
— Mark Janes (2009), “Letter to local academic”[4]

In 2010, Janes, in his “Euthanasia and Entropy Morphology” video, following the passing of a good friend who suffered through the end states of cancer needlessly and inhumanly, argued that according to thermodynamics, euthanasia can be re-defined as "good".[5]

In 2012, Janes, in his Mr Carbon Atom and the Theory of Carbon Entromorphology, elaborated on his thermodynamic theories of good and evil. The specifics of his argument at this point, however, became rather convoluted and lost in a web of his invented language, e.g. free will is defined as "heliotropism", good is defined as "phototropism", and evil is defined as "gravitropism", along with a flip-book of pictures.[4] In any event, crudeness of ideas aside, Janes is one of the few thinker to even attempt to re-defined good and evil in terms of Gibbs energy, however remotely.


In 2011, Libb Thims, in his “Thermodynamic Proof that Good Always Triumphs over Evil”, argued that because "natural" processes are endergonic and favored, and "unnatural" processes are exergonic and unfavored, according to standard definition (Guggenheim, 1933), and that because in physiology processes, like muscle contraction, occur owing to a "coupling" of natural or exergonic with unnatural or endergonic, that so to in the social world, what we formerly have referred to as good and evil occur in a mixture, such that good drives evil, aka exergonic drives our couples endergonic phenomena.[6]

In 2015, Thims, with co-host Thor, gave an "atheism for kids" lecture, to a group of six Chicago children, ages 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, wherein good and evil, or right and wrong, were explained in terms of coupling theory and endergonic and exergonic energy determinants.[7]


The following are related quotes:

“Thermodynamics is needed if both moral evil (sin) and moral virtue is to be actualized in the world. To recast what I wrote almost two decades ago: since good and evil are realities of human life and history, something like entropy is what one would expect to find at the physical level underlying these realities?”
— Robert Russell (2008), “The Groaning of Creation” (pg. 132)[8]
Thims’ thermodynamic coupling proof that ‘good always triumphs over evil’ is nothing but ‘calculus coated woo’, hidden behind a smokescreen of rhetorical mathematics.”
— Ryan Grannell (2011), “On Human Chemistry”[9]
Thermodynamic world lines can evolve toward evil as well as good. The duality of good and evil in the Universe might be more accurately said to be neutral, evil thought. In this paradigm good is a category of things that satisfy thermodynamic energy input drives with moral equanimity and low evil values in proportion to the 'good'. The good is just a neutral consonance with thermodynamics. Evil is to victimize mass acquisition prevailing over neutrality.”
— Garrison Gibson (2017), A Universal Widget (pg. #)[10]

End matter


  1. Meslier, Jean. (1729). The Testament (§94, pg. 574). Publisher.
  2. Liddell, Henry; Scott, Robert. (1882). An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon (pg. 863). Publisher.
  3. Phren – Wikipedia.
  4. 4.0 4.1 Janes, Mark A. (2012). Mr Carbon Atom and the Theory of Carbon Entromorphology (GB) (Amz) (§7: Letter, pgs. 198-06; §12: Human Thermodynamics and Morality, pgs. 284-346; good, pgs. 21, 104, 199, 201-02, 266, 268, 278, 284-85, 304, 307, 326, 333, 345). Emp3books.
  5. Janes, Mark. (2010). “Euthanasia and Entropy Morphology” (YT), Mark Janes, May 18.
  6. Thims, Libb. (2011). “Thermodynamic Proof that Good Always Triumphs over Evil” (pdf), Journal of Human Thermodynamics (Ѻ), 7: 1-4.
  7. (a) Thims, Libb. (2015). “Zerotheism for Kids” (co-host: Thor), 14-part [4:41-hr] lecture playlist (YT), 5-intro sides (Ѻ), 56-main sides (Ѻ), 11AM-3PM, Chicago, Aug 10 (recorded), Sep 7 (published).
    (b) Zerotheism for kids – Hmolpedia 2020.
  8. Russell, Robert. (2008). “The Groaning of Creation: Does God Suffer with All Life?”, in: The Evolution of Evil (editors: Gaymon Bennett, Ted Peters, Martinez Joseph Hewlett, Robert John Russell) (§:120-42; quote, pg. 132). Vandenhoeck.
  9. (a) Grannell, Ryan. (2011). “Category: Human Chemistry”, Bag of Many Things, (Jun 26 –Jul 22).
    (b) Thims, Libb. (2011). “Thermodynamic Proof that Good Always Triumphs over Evil” (pdf), Journal of Human Thermodynamics, 7: 1-4.
  10. Gibson, Garrison. (2017). A Universal Widget (pg. #). Publisher.

External links

  • Good – Hmolpedia 2020.
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